Chromium starts up and opens my pinned tabs: Gmail, Gcalendar & Greader before gnome panel appears... Also network manager sometimes is slow to bring up WiFi even though my home network is set up to be used by all users, resulting in failed to load in chromium.
Example of website that only supports TLS v1.0, which is rejected by the client Overivew TLS v1.3 is the latest standard for secure communication over the internet. It is widely supported by desktops, servers and mobile phones. Recently Ubuntu 18.04 LTS received OpenSSL 1.1.1 update bringing the ability to potentially establish TLS v1.3 connections on the latest Ubuntu LTS release. Qualys SSL Labs Pulse report shows more than 15% adoption of TLS v1.3. It really is time to migrate from TLS v1.0 and TLS v1.1. As announced on the 15th of October 2018 Apple , Google , and Microsoft will disable TLS v1.0 and TLS v1.1 support by default and thus require TLS v1.2 to be supported by all clients and servers. Similarly, Ubuntu 20.04 LTS will also require TLS v1.2 as the minimum TLS version as well. To prepare for the move to TLS v1.2, it is a good idea to disable TLS v1.0 and TLS v1.1 on your local systems and start observing and reporting any websites, systems and applications that
Browsers shouldn't announce that the page failed to load, they should say "Waiting for internet connection" or something. I hate how I have to go through all my tabs and hit F5 every time chrome loads starts faster than networkmanager gets on my wifi (100% of the time, Intel X-25M SSD).
ReplyDeleteWhat should the browser do if the network is really down? I don't think the bug is in the browser. I think the bug is in the system starting Apps before the system is up. I hate the same kind of behavior in windows. It's basic sequencing. Start network, then network apps.
ReplyDeleteThe network ought to start before the user's apps, since you don't know which ones will need the network. You wouldn't start running user apps before you've mounted everything in the fstab. You don't want every app to write it's own logic to guess if the system is still coming up or if the system is just broken. I've had to write software like that with timeout loops and multiple strategies for determining if it needs to wait a little more or if it needs to give up. Once you give up on the last failure you have to guess what kind of message to give the user to explain the error. The user experience is catastrophic in failure cases.
It sounds to me like Gnome needs to better organize startup dependencies.
I agree with Edward. If you have apps that needs a network connection, they should start up after the PC sees the network. Gnome should have enough smarts to realise what apps require the network, eg browsers, web apps, ultilities etc. Is that possible?
ReplyDeleteI came across the problem with CheckGmail on startup. CheckGmail would fail because wifi hadn't started yet, so not knowing anything about scripts I had to search the internet for someone who had written a simple time delay script. That's all it needed. The year is 2010, and this simple feature should of been designed in long ago.
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ReplyDeleteThe point about desktop is to bring up web-browser as soon as possible in working state. In 15 seconds I can read an email and start replying. I wonder if upstart can be used to trigger web-browser as soon as network is up?
ReplyDeleteThe way I read it, systemd will also be for this.
ReplyDelete1. If you were to set your network credentials as system-wide, you would probably have network by the time you log in.
ReplyDelete2. gnome-session has no idea if an application needs the network when it starts it up, so you would have to have every application author update their .desktop files to flag requirements. Not pretty. Then wait for network to start applications that want 'network'. But what if you connect to a non-routable network? Or what if you have no network, but your application supports offline mode (think tomboy or gtg, both can 'sync' with the network, but that is not required).
3. NM already emits a dbus signal on connect. The correct method would be to update applications to listen for that signal and re-run their failed network-related functions when it is received (whether it be fetching a web page, syncing notes, etc). Fixing the issue in Chromium would solve network related issues at times that are not startup, as well.
I agree with Sequentious. That sounds like the right way to do it. I have Evolution start on system start up and it works almost exactly this way (it actually attempts a connection before it realises there is none and switches to offline mode). When NM connects, Evolution also connects and gets mail. Very neat.
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